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Host: Tom Eddington
Guest: Leif Cocks

Quick Show Description:
Leif Cocks says if we are born with the same genes and in the same circumstances, we will all do the same things. No one should feel criticism or superiority. Eventually, Leif hopes to create a world where conservation organizations are no longer needed. Leif speaks about what he learned about working with orangutans closely. Orangutans are actually entirely independent and confident. Our genetics and culture have given us the ability to destroy ourselves. Leif says we need to reform ourselves before we can work on reforming the planet.

In this episode:

  • [00:30] Meet Leif Cocks. He’s a zoologist by trade and started a mission to save the orangutans. Along the way, he has discovered a lot about humanity. Leif gives his definition of conscious leadership.
  • [03:00] How Leif shows up in the corporate setting and utilizes conscious leadership in a conservation organization.
  • [05:55] When you meet and become close friends with an orangutan, you will see the humanity in their eyes. Orangutans are far more independent, confident, and self-assured.
  • [08:00] The problems that our planet faces.
  • [14:40] Reform yourself before you and try and reform the world. Take time to become active in expressing compassion in an intelligent way.

Key Takeaways:

  • The organization becomes subservient to the cause. We cannot lose sight of what we are there to achieve.
  • If we are happy, then we can’t help but make other people happy.
  • The problem our society faces is cognitive dissonance.
  • Reform yourself before you try and reform the world.


2 Quotes:
“Conscious leadership is about expressing the love within ourselves through our work.”
“I want to create a world where conservation organizations are superfluous.”


Resources/links mentioned in show:

The Orangutan Project: https://www.theorangutanproject.org/about-us/leif-cocks/

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMBZGn2tMFg

Book: Finding Our Humanity: An inner journey towards understanding ourselves and our way forward

Book: Orangutans My Cousins, My Friends: A journey to understand and save the person of the forest


Meet Leif Cocks

The Orangutan Project was established in 1998 by founder and world-renowned orangutan expert, Leif Cocks, as a result of his almost 30 year career working with orangutans. Leif is a passionate campaigner for orangutans and has been the President of The Orangutan Project since its inception. Join Tom as he explores Leif’s passionate commitment to Orangutans.

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