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delete -John Renesch, Advisor & Author

An Interview with John Renesch, Advisor & Author

John started waking up the 70s and getting into the human potential movement. You cannot be in this world without running into consciousness. John took the term conscious leadership and started a real estate company to become financially independent. Later, John decided to start a nonprofit foundation to promote system thinking. John coined the term conscious leadership; however, people have been using the term exponentially. John gives his definition of conscious leadership and how he relies on a trusted source of guidance. Later, John reveals the qualities of a conscious leader; he describes the future of conscious leadership and the biggest crisis in our world.

“Don’t ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.” -Howard Thurman

In this episode:

  • [02:00] Meet John Renesch and how he discovered conscious leadership.
  • [10:00] About coining the term conscious leadership.
  • [13:25] How John defines conscious leadership. If you ask twenty people, you will get twenty different definitions. Most people understand what leadership is. However, what does consciousness mean?
  • [18:50] Utilizing a reliance on a trusted source of guidance.
  • [20:45] The qualities of a conscious leader and how responsibility can take on a scared role in leadership.
  • [25:00] The future of conscious leadership.
  • [34:30] Having an attraction to conscious leaders.
  • [38:40] The biggest crisis in the world. There is a lack of leadership in the world, and many of our leaders are not fully awake.
  • [44:50] Find something that lights your fire. If you can’t find a passion, then look for what pisses you off.
  • [49:15] Look for what makes you come fully alive and do that.

Key Takeaways:

  • Consciousness cannot be defined.
  • When you are conscious, responsibility takes on a sacred role.
  • Consciousness will become the way everyone starts living and leading.
  • The biggest crisis in the world is the lack of leadership.
  • There needs to be a world that works for everyone. Our society will realize the highest priority is the wellbeing of everyone.


John’s Website
Future Shapers
The Conscious Leadership Guild
Systemic Leadership 

Meet John Renesch

John Renesch is an advisor, mentor, futurist and writer on matters of social and organizational change. Hear why he believes that commerce holds the key to bringing about a global shift of human consciousness thus creating a future of tremendous possibility for humankind. Tom and Jim have a conversation around making an urgent collective choice: to opt for responsible adulthood over the largely adolescent ways we have been relating to one another and our planet Earth demonstrating that it is not too late to create the future we all say we want for our children and our children’s children–a future that is environmentally sustainable, spiritually fulfilling and socially just.


David Helfant, Founding Partner, Helfant Law

Tom pose the question to David, “Where do we see Conscious Leadership in the Entertainment Business?”. For over 38 years, David has been practicing as an entertainment attorney specializing in music, motion picture, television and video production and distribution. He’s also a Cancer Survivor and shares how he encourages his clients to get involved in charitable organizations to build their entertainment while also making an impact in the world. 

Gary Shapiro, President of Orang Utan Republik Foundation

An interview with Gary Shapiro, President of Orang Utan Republik Foundation
Gary reveals his background and how he interacts with the natural world. He explains how humans fit in with the primate species, dating back forty-million years ago. Humans like to think they are the only ones who use language. Gary set out to prove that orangutans can use signs to communicate. Eventually, Gary became a father to an orangutan – he even began to act like the orangutans. He has dedicated his entire life to saving the species. Working closely with orangutans, Gary learned about human communication. Later, Gary speaks about the competencies of leadership, putting aside our egos, and tips on working with volunteers.

In this episode:

  • [01:00] Meet Gary Shapiro. Gary talks about his work with orangutans.
  • [07:45] Where humans fit with other species. Humans are primates – it goes back well over forty-million years.
  • [12:20] The genes tell the true story of our relationship with chimpanzees. Humans started to relate more to the orangutans over other primates.
  • [21:00] What Gary has learned about the human species by working with orangutans. Mainly, he learned about what he is capable of doing.
  • [32:40] How to utilize system thinking and understanding how to influence one another within a whole.
  • [35:00] Working as a leader and a manager. Gary made sure there was never a conflict of interest, and he learned how to build competencies to become an effective leader.
  • [42:10] Put your ego in the right perspective and find a balance to allow for work without sacrificing relationships.
  • [54:30] How the listeners can help support the orangutans.

Key Takeaways:

  • Keep a journal so you can remember the little things that happen throughout the day.
  • Everybody starts out as a leader of their own body. As children, we learn how to become a leader through social influence.
  • Training and personal development will be essential to become a leader.
  • We can create the happiness we have – we do not need to wait for permission from anyone else.
  • Don’t give so much that you sacrifice the relationships in your life.

Meet Gary Shapiro

Gary began his involvement with orangutans 44 years ago in the field of primate cognition and learning. He was the first person (1973-1975) to teach a symbolic communication system to an orangutan and the first person to have taught sign language to orangutans in the species’ natural environment. In this episode, Gary shares with Tom how he is seeking and implementing solutions of sustainability for local people through education and innovative collaborative projects is the key to saving Indonesia’s great red ape and other species.


Orang Utan Republik Foundation (OURF)
Orangutan Project

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