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Month: November 2019

Jim Dethmer, Co-Founder of Conscious Leadership Group

An Interview with Jim Dethmer, Co-Founder of Conscious Leadership Group

Jim explains that teams have a greater chance of seeing reality if they create certain kinds of conversations amongst themselves. These conversations can be between customers, competitors, and innovators. Feedback rich environments will also assist in creating a clear reality. To have these open conversations and a feedback friendly culture, trust is needed. Jim says for trust to be lasting in a team setting, you will need to trust yourself first. EQ trumps IQ, but BQ (body intelligence) may trump all of the above. We can learn practical ways to interpret the information our bodies give us. Later, Jim explains the commitments to conscious leadership, how to work around assumptions, and preventing burnout.

In This Episode

  • [01:00] Meet Jim Dethmer. Jim explains how he came to know conscious leadership.
  • [06:10] The team that sees reality the best wins. However, we never know the reality of how it truly is. Can we see ourselves more accurately?
  • [08:00] Which comes first, authenticity or trust? Most people think trust comes first. If someone trusts you, then they are willing to be candid. However, if you are vulnerable, people will trust you more.
  • [12:20] EQ trumps IQ. Once your IQ is established, the EQ will kick in, especially in a team setting.
  • [15:50] About BQ – body intelligence. Our bodies have intelligence that is far faster and more reliable than our cognitive abilities.
  • [27:50] The tools Jim uses for his clients to understand BQ.
  • [30:30] The commitments to conscious leadership.
  • [38:00] Working around assumptions and beliefs to create more effective leadership.
  • [44:00] Preventing energetic burnout. When we live unconsciously, our bodies will live in an unsustainable state.

Key Takeaways

  • Support teams by lessening their desire to prove they are right. Instead, increase their desire for curiosity.
  • For trust to be lasting, you have to trust yourself first.
  • Soft skills make a difference in a team setting.
  • Our physical bodies are actually the first line of awareness.
  • Take the time to notice what is going on in our bodies. Pay attention to thoughts and physical sensations

Meet Jim Dethmer

Jim inspires and activates audiences through a rare combination of provocative insights, humor and highly relatable examples based on the latest leadership research and decades of coaching top leaders.
The Conscious Leadership Group (CLG) is a consultancy founded by Jim Dethmer and Diana Chapman. Brings a radical new leadership conversation to the organizational world through coaching, consulting, forums, events, keynotes, and online resources.

“You are either leading above the line or below the line. If you’re above the line, you’re in a state of trust. If you’re under the line, you’re in a state of fear.” – Jim Dethmer


Conscious Leadership Group  

The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership: A New Paradigm for Sustainable Success Here

Rose Fernandez, CEO, Algenist

An Interview with Rose Fernandez, CEO, Algenist

Rose describes some qualities of conscious leadership. Being open and willing to share is essential to becoming a conscious leader. Rose loves to provide context to her team; she tries to be as consistent as possible with her transparency. Overcommunicating is also essential. Rose makes sure to tell things to multiple people multiple times. She holds a town hall for her employees to deliver the financials, the state of the business, and people speak from different departments. Rose trusts her employees; she allows them to choose their own hours. If someone doesn’t want to be there, then they will work themselves out. Later, Rose speaks about becoming the CEO, being confident, and her time with Women’s Wear Daily.

In This Episode

  • [00:45] About conscious leadership.
  • [02:20] Meet Rose Fernandez
  • [06:20] Providing context as a conscious leader: transparency is essential.
  • [09:15] About Algenist. Rose tries to overcommunicate with her team. She says things multiple times, in multiple forms, to multiple people.
  • [14:15] How do you describe work/life balance? Do something you love and be with people you trust.
  • [18:20] How Rose developed the Algenist workplace culture.
  • [22:10] About becoming a CEO. Rose learned the ropes from the previous CEO. As a woman CEO, be confident in your decisions and make sure others are involved in the decision.
  • [31:40] About Rose’s time with Women’s Wear Daily. Rose learned that she trusts herself.

Key Takeaways

  • Be consistent with your transparency as a leader.
  • There is so much uncertainty in the world. Create context for your team and let them know what you know.
  • Use a town hall to bring in your corporate team and make people understand your decisions.
  • Trust your employees. Allow them to choose their own hours.
  • As a woman CEO, you need to be confident in your decisions.

Meet Rose Fernandez:   Rose Fernandez started her career in the beauty and skin care industry as a Regional Sales Director with Murad, the first known clinical skincare line developed by Dr. Howard Murad, where she eventually became the Senior National Sales Director, US and Canada.  She was the Vice President of Sales at Kate Somerville Skin Care; VP and General Manager, North America at Jurlique, and in 2016 she joined Algenist as Senior Vice President, Global Sales, and now serves as its Chief Executive Officer since 2018. 

Resources:  Algenist,  LinkedIn,  WWD Beauty Summit 

Eric Kaufmann, President, Sagatica

An Interview with Eric Kaufmann, President of Sagatica

Eric speaks about the importance of the heart.  At the age of thirty, he realized he was living both a spiritual pursuit and a professional pursuit. Deciding to focus on one, Eric chose to pursue spiritual commitment. From there he quit his job, shaved his head, and gave away his possessions. Part of his spiritual commitment meant attending a year-long silent meditation retreat. Find out how Eric defines conscious leadership and what the virtues and essential features are of leaders.  

In this episode:

  • [00:50] Meet Eric Kaufmann
  • [07:45] Eric’s whole life has been a devotion to discipline, self-awareness, and practice. Selling and marketing were easier than being at home in the community. However, Eric did not have a lot of access to the heart.
  • [12:30] How do you define conscious leadership? A leader is someone who organizes and influences people to achieve meaningful results. Conscious is an unresisting awareness of the present moment and interconnection.
  • [17:45] Other qualities of conscious leadership – wisdom, love, and courage.
  • [20:00] The biggest hurdle for every executive – ego awareness and self-management. Courage is also a challenge for leaders.
  • [28:30] About creating and fostering consciousness in the workplace.
  • [37:40] How gender and generational differences will change leadership abilities.
  • [43:00] The shapers of human society are now businesses. Business leaders have become the shapers of society.

Key Takeaways:

  • Conscious leadership is moving from the ego to a life-focused service position with awareness.
  • The first virtue of a leader is focus. The world is our reflection.
  • Wisdom, love, and courage are essential features of leadership.
  • Courage is the most absent characteristic of a leader. It is easier to walk away; we use it as a defense mechanism.
  • With age, there becomes more to lose than there is to gain.
  • Business leaders are now shaping our society.




Sagatica Wisdom YouTube

Sagatica Wisdom Facebook Page

The Four Virtues of a Leader: Navigating the Hero’s Journey Through Risk to Results Book Here

Meet Eric Kaufmann

Eric has been coaching and training leaders and executives since 2000. His earliest leadership lessons were in the water, not in the office – when he was a Scuba Diving Instructor he learned to organize and influence people to learn new skills, work together, venture into the unknown, and have fun in a process that is inherently dangerous. Tom and Eric have a lively discussion on Eric being a Thought Leader at Harvard’s Institute of Coaching, the author of Four Virtues of a Leader, and a life-long Zen practitioner.




Runa Bouius, Founder, TRUE Power Institute

An Interview with Runa Bouius, Founder, TRUE Power

This week Tom sits down with Runa Bouius, Founder of TRUE
Power Institute. In this episode, Runa inspires, engages, and
discusses how to empower leaders as they open people’s hearts
and minds, one person at a time. She explains how we can get
back to wholeness; if we are not whole in the workplace, then we
are not contributing optimally to the organization. As the founder
of the TRUE Power Institute, Runa describes the inspiration
behind the Institute and how we can reach our full power. True
power is something that allows us to be present and let go. Listen
to the episode to learn more about presence & energy, the choice
we have over our thoughts, and the importance of grounding.

In This Episode:

• [01:00] Meet Runa Bouius – she became an accidental
entrepreneur. Twenty years later, Runa realized that it was
time for the next chapter. She sold her businesses and
moved to America to start a new life.
• [07:10] About being a female leader in Iceland.
• [12:00] How can we get back to wholeness?
• [14:15] Runa defines conscious leadership. There is no true
• [17:30] About the True Power Institute and how we can
reach our full power.
• [21:20] True power ignites the positive social energies of
something bigger than us.
• [24:50] We have a choice of what we do with our thoughts.
• [26:20] About the natural cycles of life and how it relates to
real power.
• [33:55] Learning from mother earth and the principals of
nature. A person that is grounded will respond differently to
• [42:30] As people start launching their careers, they will
encounter emptiness. Runa thinks that it is purpose. Runa
explains how to make lifestyle changes.
• [51:30] More people are connecting through social media.
Tools appropriately used can have a fantastic impact on our

Key Takeaways:

• Conscious leadership means being awake to our thoughts
and feelings.
• Wholeness means power. When we are in full wholeness,
then we are in full power.
• True power is a presence and energy that is coming through
us from a more significant source.
• Stay open to what tomorrow will bring you – it may bring
something much more expansive than something you can
• We can choose to let go of our thoughts and replace them
with something more uplifting and positive.

Meet Runa Bouius

Rúna Bouius is a leadership influencer — a visionary business
leader and wisdom guide who bridges traditional business with
the emerging business paradigm and techniques to uncover a
renewed vision of a regenerative and balanced world for all.
Over the course of her career, Rúna has mentored and coached
hundreds of leaders and uplifted and inspired thousands of
people around the world through her speaking, facilitation, and
writing, and through the social-impact platforms in Los Angeles
she has co-founded, including the Conscious Capitalism LA
Chapter and the TOGETHER! Network for purpose-driven female
entrepreneurs. Rúna sits on a number of advisory boards and has
spoken at conferences such as The International Conference on
Business and Consciousness, Women’s International Networking
(WIN), and the Conscious Capitalism Institute Conference.
She has a reputation as a Conscious Leadership influencer, a
tireless ambassador for raising social consciousness, and a
Change Agent on a mission to evolve humanity’s relationship to


True Power Institute

Leif Cocks, Founder of The Orangutan Project

Host: Tom Eddington
Guest: Leif Cocks

Quick Show Description:
Leif Cocks says if we are born with the same genes and in the same circumstances, we will all do the same things. No one should feel criticism or superiority. Eventually, Leif hopes to create a world where conservation organizations are no longer needed. Leif speaks about what he learned about working with orangutans closely. Orangutans are actually entirely independent and confident. Our genetics and culture have given us the ability to destroy ourselves. Leif says we need to reform ourselves before we can work on reforming the planet.

In this episode:

  • [00:30] Meet Leif Cocks. He’s a zoologist by trade and started a mission to save the orangutans. Along the way, he has discovered a lot about humanity. Leif gives his definition of conscious leadership.
  • [03:00] How Leif shows up in the corporate setting and utilizes conscious leadership in a conservation organization.
  • [05:55] When you meet and become close friends with an orangutan, you will see the humanity in their eyes. Orangutans are far more independent, confident, and self-assured.
  • [08:00] The problems that our planet faces.
  • [14:40] Reform yourself before you and try and reform the world. Take time to become active in expressing compassion in an intelligent way.

Key Takeaways:

  • The organization becomes subservient to the cause. We cannot lose sight of what we are there to achieve.
  • If we are happy, then we can’t help but make other people happy.
  • The problem our society faces is cognitive dissonance.
  • Reform yourself before you try and reform the world.

“Conscious leadership is about expressing the love within ourselves through our work.”
“I want to create a world where conservation organizations are superfluous.”

Resources/links mentioned in show:

The Orangutan Project: https://www.theorangutanproject.org/about-us/leif-cocks/

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMBZGn2tMFg

Book: Finding Our Humanity: An inner journey towards understanding ourselves and our way forward

Book: Orangutans My Cousins, My Friends: A journey to understand and save the person of the forest

Meet Leif Cocks

The Orangutan Project was established in 1998 by founder and world-renowned orangutan expert, Leif Cocks, as a result of his almost 30 year career working with orangutans. Leif is a passionate campaigner for orangutans and has been the President of The Orangutan Project since its inception. Join Tom as he explores Leif’s passionate commitment to Orangutans.


The Orangutan Project

Sadhvi Bhagawati Saraswati, Ph.D Secretary-General, Global Interfaith WASH Alliance

An Interview with Sadhvi Bhagawati Saraswati, Ph.D Secretary-General, Global Interfaith WASH Alliance

Sadhvi describes her awakening and reveals her story. Before she had gone to India, she did nothing on any conscious or spiritual level. Sadhvi agreed to go to India because she was a strict vegetarian. When Sadhvi arrived in India, she experienced unexpected awakeness, truth, and divinity. The academic brain fought with Sadhvi’s oneness. We need to learn how to appreciate and enjoy the experience of our duality. When we feel true serenity, we relieve ourselves of stress and freely live in the present moment. Then, Sadhvi explains the importance of vision when it comes to conscious leadership. Not just financially where the business is going, but where are you really going? Later, Sadhvi explains how to find out which truth is the right truth, why there may be a problem with your meditation, and Sadhvi reveals our greatest gift.

In this episode:

  • [01:15] Meet Sadhvi Bhagawati Saraswatiji – she reveals her story of grace.
  • [08:30] How academics affected Sadhvi’s cohesive wholeness. Sadhvi’s thinking mind didn’t give up easily.
  • [25:00] Stress will interrupt our serenity and keep us from being peaceful. Thoughts of not enough will disrupt our presence.
  • [32:15] What’s the point of a fast speed that has no direction? Sadhvi describes the importance of conscious leadership. A conscious leader knows where they are going.
  • [43:50] Sadhvi tells a story about a king and a holy man. We are all used as tools – this is the core of how Sadhvi lives and leads.
  • [48:40] How to figure out which truth is the right truth. The right truth will feel better. For example, being in love feels better than being in hate.
  • [60:00] There is a problem in your meditation if you are not serving well. Sadhvi talks about the programs she runs.

Key Takeaways:

  • Appreciate the creation – we have five senses to experience the creation.
  • Serenity comes when there is nothing you have to do.
  • Learn how to become a vehicle for the divine to flow through without the ego.
  • A conscious leader needs to know where they are going.
  • Our purpose is to get out of the way of what we think we are. We need actually to experience who we are and what we know.



From Hollywood to Holy Woods – TEDx University Of San Francisco

Meet Sadhvi Bhagawati Saraswatiji, Ph.D

Sadhvi was raised in an American family in Hollywood, California and graduated from Stanford University. She was completing her Ph.D. when she left America in 1996 to live at Parmarth Niketan in Rishikesh, India. She has been living there for 23 years, engaged in spiritual practice and service. Hear her powerful insights on how she teaches meditation, provides counseling and oversees myriad charitable and humanitarian projects and activities.




Diana Chapman, Co-founder of the Conscious Leadership Group

An Interview with Diana Chapman, Co-founder of the Conscious Leadership Group

Diana speaks about relanguaging in the corporate setting. Once you change the language, it’s essential to stick with it. Language should be as mainstream as possible, so when new people come into the setting, they can understand it. Then, Diana explains how she works with her clients at the Conscious Leadership Group. Diana has many daily practices to cultivate conscious leadership. Anytime she finds herself being adverse, she stops and looks at what is the threat under the aversion. Later, Diana describes ways to become more present, how to receive feedback, and Diana explains commitments.

In this episode:

  • [00:50] Meet Diana Chapman and the inspiration behind the Conscious Leadership Group.
  • [05:00] Shifting language to reflect a state of trust.
  • [09:30] How Diana works with her clients. First, she asks the four questions of conscious leadership. Are you in a state of threat, or are you in a state of trust?
  • [11:50] The type of clients that work with the Conscious Leadership Group.
  • [15:00] How Diana defines conscious leadership and how she cultivates conscious leadership.
  • [21:30] Using meditation and practicing spirituality. Diana is not one for rituals. She explains how to become more present.
  • [30:00] How to receive feedback. Diana makes agreements with her friends, clients, and coworkers to give feedback to each other.
  • [49:50] Commitments – it’s a way to organize yourself. We are always committed by looking at our results.

Key Takeaways:

  • Conscious leadership is to be here in a nonreactive state.
  • To cultivate conscious leadership – when you find yourself being adverse, stop, and look at what the threat is under the aversion.
  • Start your day with gratitude and appreciation.
  • Notice your patterns and play with them to see what’s underneath it.
  • Ask for feedback from others regularly.

Meet Diana Chapman

Diana is a cofounder of the Conscious Leadership Group and has been a trusted advisor to more than 700 top-tier organizational leaders and many of their executive teams, guiding them into and through pivotal transitions in life, business, and consciousness.
You’ll hear all about Diana’s dedication to the personal and global expansion of consciousness and how that led to the creation of Conscious Leadership Forum, where she and her co-founders are spearheading a movement to propagate new models of leadership based on personal and collective empowerment.




The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership: A New Paradigm for Sustainable Success 

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An Interview with John Renesch, Advisor & Author

John started waking up the 70s and getting into the human potential movement. You cannot be in this world without running into consciousness. John took the term conscious leadership and started a real estate company to become financially independent. Later, John decided to start a nonprofit foundation to promote system thinking. John coined the term conscious leadership; however, people have been using the term exponentially. John gives his definition of conscious leadership and how he relies on a trusted source of guidance. Later, John reveals the qualities of a conscious leader; he describes the future of conscious leadership and the biggest crisis in our world.

“Don’t ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.” -Howard Thurman

In this episode:

  • [02:00] Meet John Renesch and how he discovered conscious leadership.
  • [10:00] About coining the term conscious leadership.
  • [13:25] How John defines conscious leadership. If you ask twenty people, you will get twenty different definitions. Most people understand what leadership is. However, what does consciousness mean?
  • [18:50] Utilizing a reliance on a trusted source of guidance.
  • [20:45] The qualities of a conscious leader and how responsibility can take on a scared role in leadership.
  • [25:00] The future of conscious leadership.
  • [34:30] Having an attraction to conscious leaders.
  • [38:40] The biggest crisis in the world. There is a lack of leadership in the world, and many of our leaders are not fully awake.
  • [44:50] Find something that lights your fire. If you can’t find a passion, then look for what pisses you off.
  • [49:15] Look for what makes you come fully alive and do that.

Key Takeaways:

  • Consciousness cannot be defined.
  • When you are conscious, responsibility takes on a sacred role.
  • Consciousness will become the way everyone starts living and leading.
  • The biggest crisis in the world is the lack of leadership.
  • There needs to be a world that works for everyone. Our society will realize the highest priority is the wellbeing of everyone.


John’s Website
Future Shapers
The Conscious Leadership Guild
Systemic Leadership 

Meet John Renesch

John Renesch is an advisor, mentor, futurist and writer on matters of social and organizational change. Hear why he believes that commerce holds the key to bringing about a global shift of human consciousness thus creating a future of tremendous possibility for humankind. Tom and Jim have a conversation around making an urgent collective choice: to opt for responsible adulthood over the largely adolescent ways we have been relating to one another and our planet Earth demonstrating that it is not too late to create the future we all say we want for our children and our children’s children–a future that is environmentally sustainable, spiritually fulfilling and socially just.


David Helfant, Founding Partner, Helfant Law

Tom pose the question to David, “Where do we see Conscious Leadership in the Entertainment Business?”. For over 38 years, David has been practicing as an entertainment attorney specializing in music, motion picture, television and video production and distribution. He’s also a Cancer Survivor and shares how he encourages his clients to get involved in charitable organizations to build their entertainment while also making an impact in the world. 

Gary Shapiro, President of Orang Utan Republik Foundation

An interview with Gary Shapiro, President of Orang Utan Republik Foundation
Gary reveals his background and how he interacts with the natural world. He explains how humans fit in with the primate species, dating back forty-million years ago. Humans like to think they are the only ones who use language. Gary set out to prove that orangutans can use signs to communicate. Eventually, Gary became a father to an orangutan – he even began to act like the orangutans. He has dedicated his entire life to saving the species. Working closely with orangutans, Gary learned about human communication. Later, Gary speaks about the competencies of leadership, putting aside our egos, and tips on working with volunteers.

In this episode:

  • [01:00] Meet Gary Shapiro. Gary talks about his work with orangutans.
  • [07:45] Where humans fit with other species. Humans are primates – it goes back well over forty-million years.
  • [12:20] The genes tell the true story of our relationship with chimpanzees. Humans started to relate more to the orangutans over other primates.
  • [21:00] What Gary has learned about the human species by working with orangutans. Mainly, he learned about what he is capable of doing.
  • [32:40] How to utilize system thinking and understanding how to influence one another within a whole.
  • [35:00] Working as a leader and a manager. Gary made sure there was never a conflict of interest, and he learned how to build competencies to become an effective leader.
  • [42:10] Put your ego in the right perspective and find a balance to allow for work without sacrificing relationships.
  • [54:30] How the listeners can help support the orangutans.

Key Takeaways:

  • Keep a journal so you can remember the little things that happen throughout the day.
  • Everybody starts out as a leader of their own body. As children, we learn how to become a leader through social influence.
  • Training and personal development will be essential to become a leader.
  • We can create the happiness we have – we do not need to wait for permission from anyone else.
  • Don’t give so much that you sacrifice the relationships in your life.

Meet Gary Shapiro

Gary began his involvement with orangutans 44 years ago in the field of primate cognition and learning. He was the first person (1973-1975) to teach a symbolic communication system to an orangutan and the first person to have taught sign language to orangutans in the species’ natural environment. In this episode, Gary shares with Tom how he is seeking and implementing solutions of sustainability for local people through education and innovative collaborative projects is the key to saving Indonesia’s great red ape and other species.


Orang Utan Republik Foundation (OURF)
Orangutan Project

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